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  • #29796
    Anonymous
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    A study was done on the differences between men and women with ASD, as well as men and women NTs (neurotypicals), in regards to sexual behavior. This is what they found:

    Link to the study.

    1. Of people with ASD, women were 3x more likely to be in a relationship than men.

    2. Comparing men with and without ADS, men with ASD reported a greater sexual desire for sexual intercourse, yet had a lower frequency of sexual intercourse than the men without ASD. Men with ASD also had a higher frequency of masturbation than men without ASD.

    3. Of the four groups which are: men with ASD, women with ASD, men without ASD, and women without ASD… it was only men with ASD that could be classified as hypersexual.

    4. Of those same four groups, men with ASD were reported to have the most frequent paraphilic (any intense and persistent sexual interest other than sexual interest in genital stimulation or preparatory fondling with phenotypically normal, physically mature, consenting human partners) sexual fantasies and behaviors.

    So what does this mean? Well, personally, the big takeaway is to stop running in circles trying to solve a problem that can’t be solved. I can force a barbell go up, I can force a car go forward, I can force a computer run an application, but I cannot force a person be attracted to me. There are things that I can do to be MORE attractive, but I cannot force a person be attracted to me. I am inherently unattractive being a man with ASD. I am sad that I didn’t realize this sooner, but I can be happy that I am still young. I may or may not die alone, but I can’t think about it too much because there’s only so much that I can do to control that.

    I’m curious to know what everyone else’s takeaway from this is, because this obviously contradicts the mainstream narrative.

    And lastly, I just want to say that I hope that all of you men out there with ASD are hanging in there. If you ever want to talk about anything or need a friend, my DMs are open. I promise that I’m a good listener.

    #30239
    Anonymous
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    I must be one rare female with a high sex drive but was late to know about sex and masterbating.

    #30240
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Interesting. But remember, the study isn’t necessarily saying anyone has a “high” or “low” sex drive, because that is subjective, but rather they are comparing sex drives. And I just found it interesting that the group that has the highest desire for a thing also has the least amount of that thing. This is obviously because sex (assuming consentual) requires two people, and women with and without ASD both generally do not want to be in a relationship (or have sex) with men who have ASD, as shown by the results of this study.

    #30601
    SekkeiGeek
    Participant

    How/why did you arrive to a conclusion that because of ASD that you are inherently less attractive?

    Interesting study. I didn’t have time to read through it but a few thoughts come to mind:
    – Did they differentiate between various levels of autism and particular autistic traits?
    My guess is that they didn’t which means the correlation can be misleading to assume that the lower frequency of sexual intercourse was due to attractiveness; or that ASD alone was a determining factor preventing frequency of sexual intercourse. Also, if one is looking to intercourse as an indicator of meaningful connections that could also be a pitfall. For all we know, although frequency of intercourse was higher in non ASD males…it is possible that neurotypical male/females or ASD females are getting less meaningful connection and more superficial connections.
    Also, Factors such as type of traits someone has and the way society has pressured us to mask and force behaviors instead of understanding our feelings, needs, and ways to adapt I theorize are more important factors to look at regarding why there is less sexual intercourse–or more importantly, meaningful connection.

    ::heart:: <3

    #30602
    SekkeiGeek
    Participant

    *disregard the last post* I edited it but it wouldn’t let me save.*

    How/why did you arrive to a conclusion that because of ASD that you are inherently less attractive?

    Interesting study. I didn’t have time to read through it but a few thoughts come to mind:

    – Did they differentiate between various levels of autism and particular autistic traits?

    My guess is that they didn’t which means the correlation can be misleading to assume that the lower frequency of sexual intercourse was due to attractiveness; or that ASD alone was a determining factor preventing frequency of sexual intercourse.

    Also, if one is looking to intercourse as an indicator of meaningful connections that could also be a pitfall. For all we know, although frequency of intercourse was lower in ASD males…it is possible that neurotypicals and ASD females are getting less meaningful connection and more superficial connections.

    Also, Factors such as type and severity of ASD traits someone has can vary and influence the data greatly.

    In addition, society and traditional treatment methods have pressured ASD individuals to mask and force behaviors instead of understanding our feelings and needs in order to adapt. Due to this, I theorize these factors are more influential in affecting sexual intercourse frequencies–or more importantly, meaningful connection.

    ::heart:: <3

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by SekkeiGeek.
    #31271
    tom
    Participant

    I’m really starting to think masturbation is much worse then previously thought.

    #33824
    Anonymous
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    That’s pretty interesting. When I was young compatibility was common. However as I got older everyone’s drive decreased, mine did not. That really put a wedge on compatibility to move forward. Out of all the relationships I’ve had, the only one that was truly compatible with me on this subject, she was on the spectrum and had even higher needs. I was a very lucky man to have someone like that in high school, dated from age 14 to 22.

    At a young age with hormones racing, I can’t imagine where I would have ended up if it wasn’t for her, lol. As of today it’s been six years, don’t even remember what it feels like. Online dating is my only tool, no one responded in that time. I fill void with treating myself. Cook an awesome meal, binge something awesome like LOTR. Entertainment may not be what you asked for but it goes the distance!

    After a few years of being invisible that desire goes away (finally). After that, you can really focus that attention on you and make the best of it.

    Thanks for sharing!
    Brad

    #35151
    shahram
    Participant

    Exactly, autistic men are not attractive, while women fall in love with hearing that is the biggest weakness of autistic men. They don’t have good social skills at all, they are probably shy or confused. What if they want to say nice things?

    #35284
    Ravyn
    Participant

    I’ve had wonderful sexual experiences with autistic men. But I’m also on the spectrum so their quirks make sense to me and I don’t find a bit of social awkwardness or even clumsiness or inexperience unattractive at all. Quite the opposite…I find the arrogant “alpha male” nonsense of neurotypical men unappealing.

    #35355
    DragonEmbers
    Participant

    I disagree with the opinion that they are not attractive.

    #35582
    SekkeiGeek
    Participant

    There have been many studies also showing that differences are often attractive to men and women. Autistic folk and other neurodivergent folk can appreciate this. My theory based on personal, 2nd hand, and evidence I have read is that it is not ‘attractiveness’ but ability to figure out how to connect with others. Because of the pressure parents, ‘neurotypicals’, and society puts on us to fit into the generic behavior status quo….it becomes challenging to find our own way of relating to others. In personal experience and learning from others I have found it takes experimentation, courage, and ability to bounce back after many failed attempts.

    Do not let a study that lacks analysis and context for all the variables define you!

    Keep connecting with others and find your own way! Don’t let the boring status quo define beauty for you. <3

    #35729
    Brad
    Participant

    Thanks for sharing the article, thought provoking!

    What it had to say about greater sexual desire with men with ASD. I must agree. It has caused minor issues in dating when it comes to compatibility. Not matching energies in that area especially if you want to build something real with the person is not a foundation you can build from. The reason why perhaps some can relate.

    It doesn’t communicate the reason in the article, wanted to touch on that. It’s a way to communicate love. It’s that simple. That drive comes from how you feel about the person. For me a hookup is empty and pointless, I’ll never chase it, because it’s absent everything that made it desirable. Absent love, no desire. The system keeps it’s self in check.

    What it should of asked it. How does it make you feel when society says that’s all men want and your judged for it? Judged for love. That’s always been the context and how it’s landed for me and this wiring I got.

    Anyway, In the early days of online dating filters were provided free that could match your energy there, or simply room to communicate on the profile. You could pick up what you needed to know from there. People used to fill out there profiles with useful information. Times have changed.

    What the article had to say about women with ASD and having lower desire. I have a hard time agreeing with that. At least those with AuDHD lived experience I found them to match or even exceed my own.

    While there are no statics I could find, I do have an experiment to prove the point I’d like to make. Next time you find yourself on a dating site, like tinder. Look for a woman with ASD that identifies as a cis-woman and straight. After your finished with that I think you’ll agree the article didn’t take in to account the other type of relationships as that’s been my majority finding so far.

    One to what you said

    I am inherently unattractive being a man with ASD. I am sad that I didn’t realize this sooner, but I can be happy that I am still young. I may or may not die alone, but I can’t think about it too much because there’s only so much that I can do to control that.

    This hit me different, and I wanted to share something that might help.

    Yes, we all have blind spots and social struggles, but I don’t agree that being lonely or single is just because of that. I’ve lived it. This isn’t a “you problem” or a “condition problem” it’s the times we’re in.

    Back in the day, online dating was simple. It usually took me 5-7 messages to land a date. For context, I was an obese autistic guy 300 lbs and still, every handful of messages led to a date. That effort got me three relationships that lasted over 30 years combined.

    Fast forward to 2018. I re-entered the dating scene, this time physically fit and with my life together. I figured the old formula would still work, maybe even better.

    Here’s reality:
    I spent two hours a day, every day, messaging for five years. By the old ratio, I should’ve had around 730 dates. Actual result? Two.

    Date #1: She was attractive, but casually mentioned she had another date later that night and another tomorrow. I instantly knew I was just a number. I stayed polite but checked out.

    Date #2: Just not compatible

    When you break it down, that’s 1,850 hours invested per date. And this is coming from someone who owns a home, has a solid career, and has his life together. Made no mention of being on the spectrum. Just approaching it normally. It’s that bad, your not doing anything wrong.

    Two years ago, I walked away. Not because I don’t want love but because I realized asking over and over again was draining my self-respect. And that matters more than anything. You have to live with yourself at the end of the day. There’s nothing wrong with leaving the door open by having a profile.

    The truth? If times were the same or If any of us were dating back then, it wouldn’t have been hard to find someone. At the very least, you’d actually get to go on a date. But things have changed.

    Nature wires us to pair up, but it didn’t prepare us for this kind of unnatural landscape. That’s why your worth can’t be measured by whether you have a partner. And if you look at where things are headed, it’s clear it’s only going to get harder.

    It sucks being alone, no question. Everyone wants someone to love. But the most important step is loving yourself first. Once you do that, if someone comes along it’s a bonus, not the foundation. That’s the lesson I took from the changing of the times. It’s ok not to have the answer on what to fill that space with. But knowing your interests,some rabbit holes can fill up a lot of that space. You can make it work for you. Hope that was helpful and sorry for being so long winded.

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